John Kosner Spoke with Jordan Bianchi of The Athletic about NASCAR’s New Deal

Original Article: The Athletic, by Jordan Bianchi, November 30th, 2023

NASHVILLE — NASCAR’s media future is now clear.

NASCAR on Wednesday announced its new media rights deal that will take effect beginning with the 2025 season, maintaining an alignment with traditional partners Fox Sports and NBC Sports while bringing in new partners Amazon Prime and Warner Bros. Discovery (via its TNT and B/R Sports platforms) as part of a seven-year deal worth an estimated $7.7 billion dollars, according to industry sources. The deal signals NASCAR’s first foray into streaming its premier Cup Series races and follows other sports like football and baseball onto both traditional TV and streaming services. 

For a sport in a constant quest to build its audience, what does the big picture look like? Let’s take a look.

What is the breakdown in the number of races each of the four partners will cover? Any idea exactly on the specific races they’ll have on their respective platforms?

Both Fox Sports and NBC Sports have rights to 14 races annually, with Amazon and Warner Bros. each having five apiece. How the still-to-be-determined 2025 schedule lays out will determine which races will air on which platform, though a few things are known — or can at least be surmised.

As it has since 2001, Fox’s portion comes at the beginning of the season, starting with the Clash exhibition and then the subsequent 13 races. Amazon’s first race is the 15th on the schedule, which is likely to be the Coca-Cola 600, according to industry sources. TNT/Warner Bros. follows Amazon, and appears likely to get the Chicago Street Race, if it returns in 2025, given its spot on the calendar and NASCAR’s desire to give all partners a signature race.

“I would say both (Amazon and WBD) are interested in embracing major tentpole events, and so we will make sure that we have major tentpole events for all of our partners,” NASCAR president Steve Phelps said Wednesday. “I’m not sure how long we’ll be doing the Chicago street race — I hope we do the Chicago Street Race for seven years — but we’ve got to make sure we have some flexibility today.”

NBC will take the final 14 races, including the entire playoffs.

Phelps also confirmed that the Daytona 500 will continue as the opening points race for the “foreseeable future.” Fox will also retain rights to the All-Star Race, NASCAR’s other exhibition race, which traditionally has been the 15th race on the schedule, meaning that race will move up.

Looking at how the schedule typically is put together, summer races at Gateway, Pocono, New Hampshire, Sonoma, Iowa and Nashville are expected to be among those carried by either Amazon or Warner Bros. NBC retains the regular-season finale, the Southern 500 on Labor Day weekend and staple playoff races such as Bristol, Kansas, Talladega and Martinsville.

“What happens in 2025 and beyond, I don’t know, schedule-wise at all other than where we are going to start our regular season,” Phelps said. 

Why did NASCAR emphasize aligning itself with streaming services?

NASCAR is one of the few major professional sports properties that didn’t already have a streaming deal, something industry experts contend factored in the league struggling to adequately market itself toward a younger demographic. 

“Ever since the pandemic hit, people have been leaving video subscriptions on pay TV, and as a result, if you want to reach a growing number of homes that are younger, that are tech savvy, that are your next generation of fans, then you have to have a robust streaming presence for at least some of your content,” said Lee Berke, president and CEO of sports media consulting firm LHB Sports, Entertainment & Media Inc. “You still want the broad reach you get in broadcast, and you still want to be included on pay TV in some respects, but your platforms increasingly need to include a substantial streaming component.”

NASCAR knew it needed to do a better job capturing the attention beyond its older core audience. The hope is that Cup races becoming more accessible beyond television will help introduce the sport to a younger audience. And that point has obviously been made to its new partners.

“We really want to go innovate,” said Jay Marine, Amazon Prime Video vice president and global head of sports. “We look at this as a seven-year-plus partnership, and we’ll talk about the renewal later, but that’s how we want to invest so that we can innovate for the long-term, and we’re excited to do that. We’re excited to reach a younger audience who may have cut the cord and (is) not watching as much, which we’ve been able to do with ‘Thursday Night Football,’ as an example. We’re excited to be part of it and excited to work across this partnership group, as well.”

Both Phelps and RFK Racing president Steve Newmark noted Wednesday they have college-aged children who consume programming primarily through their mobile phones or tablets. 

“My kids in college are consuming more from streaming than they are probably from broadcast, so to me, this gives us that right blend,” Newmark said. “And I don’t think any of us knows what the media landscape is going to look like in 10 years. But what this does is this gives us kind of covering all the bases, and so I actually think our (sponsors) are going to be excited about it.”

What else jumps out about this deal?

The money, of course. Securing a deal that brings in $7.7 billion is nothing to sneeze at, especially in a marketplace that has seen several notable sports properties either recently sign new deals or about to come up for renewals, and all while media companies are scaling back their expenses and becoming more selective on what they bid on.

So, yeah, NASCAR faced plenty of hurdles during this prolonged process that took longer to complete than anticipated.  

“We wanted to make sure that all the innovation we’re doing from a sport perspective that we were getting in front of new demos and that we were setting ourselves up well for the future,” said Brian Herbst, NASCAR senior vice president of media and productions.

That NASCAR navigated the changing landscape and landed a deal worth nearly 40 percent more than its current deals is a success, industry experts note.

“NASCAR had a successful, long-term renewal along the lines that most had predicted,” said John Kosner, president, Kosner Media and former executive vice president of ESPN Digital. “If there were surprises, it’s that the process took longer to finalize and that it required four partners (and two streaming partners) to complete the deal. This is a negotiation trend we are seeing where more broadcast parties are necessary for a league to achieve its revenue and reach goals.”

Said Ed Desser, a longtime media consultant: “NASCAR got a nice raise, but not as large as in prior deals. This has more to do with where NASCAR started (very strong prior deals) and the changing marketplace (streaming, cord-cutting, etc.) than any meaningful change in the underlying product itself. NASCAR has addressed its recent issues like most major professional sports organizations do periodically.”

How will longtime NASCAR fans likely react to this news?

Undoubtedly, some fans are going to be annoyed that they’ll have to subscribe to Amazon and also have another platform that provides access to live programming for the Fox, NBC and WBD components of the deal — an understandable complaint as such expenditures can quickly add up.

The unfortunate reality, however, is that this is now the life of a sports fan. Almost every league is spreading itself among multiple platforms, necessitating multiple subscriptions if you want to watch every game/race. It’s tough to swallow, but it isn’t changing anytime soon. 

If you’re looking for a silver lining, it’s that having a partner like Amazon allows for flexibility in how a race is presented to viewers. In addition to a traditional broadcast, the opportunity is there to bring viewers alternative streams providing an array of options. For example, maybe a stream focused solely on in-car video or offering in-depth technical data geared toward the hardcore, technical-minded fan? 

In a sponsorship-driven sport where companies want as many eyeballs on their brands as possible, is there a risk for NASCAR in shifting races to a streaming service?

The Athletic has asked numerous people within the NASCAR industry and experts in the sports media landscape and, near universally, the answer is: This was something NASCAR needed to do. If the league wanted to grow its fan base, it had little choice but to pursue this avenue.

“The reality is every sport out there, if they’re going to have some long-term perspective on what they need to do, they need to come up with their next generation of fans,” Berke said. “And if you’re not being seen by them growing up, then they don’t know about you. They don’t become fans. You’re not born a NASCAR fan. You have to be exposed to it.”

No wonder team executives, many of whom can be described as “risk averse,” were praising the deal on Wednesday, both publicly and privately, after learning the specifics of the financials and what it means for NASCAR’s future.

“I think the new arrangement is fantastic,” Newmark said. “From our perspective, what we like to see is kind of the might of those four media companies will all be behind promoting our sport. I think the access and the distribution is really going to help us take it to the next level and fits with the vision of our sport of being aggressive, and bold. We’re really excited about what that brings.”

On the subject of the teams, what does this mean for the ongoing negotiations between them and NASCAR over a new charter agreement?

Before extending its charter agreement with teams, which expires at the end of the 2024 season, NASCAR first wanted to secure its next media rights deal so it had a better idea of the financials it had to distribute. 

With this box now checked, all attention turns to the last big, pressing domino facing NASCAR on the business side. Neither NASCAR nor team executives were keen Wednesday to discuss their ongoing negotiations and how to best divide revenue, preferring instead to focus on the completed TV deal.

There is no timeline for when an extension to the charter agreement will be finalized, Phelps said, though he did state that NASCAR was committed to striking a deal. 

Where can fans watch practice and qualifying?

For the most part, practice and qualifying sessions can be found on either Amazon or B/R Sports. Amazon will stream the first half of the 38-race schedule, B/R Sports the second with some airing on TruTV. The only exceptions are the Clash, the Daytona 500 and NASCAR All-Star Race, all of which Fox Sports will televise.

What about the future TV deals for the Xfinity and Truck Series?

Fox announced Wednesday it retained exclusive rights to the entire Truck Series schedule through the 2031 season, though the specific terms weren’t disclosed.

The Xfinity Series will have its entire 33-race schedule broadcast on The CW beginning in 2025. Similar to the Cup deals, NASCAR signed a seven-year contract with the network that is available nationwide via over-the-air television.